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You guys don't know anything about some kind of a weather balloon or UFO that's out of

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the way.

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Unidentified flying objects are not always seen from the ground.

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Increasingly, pilots are reporting sightings from the air and they're prepared to talk about them.

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It was an airplane, it was an object, an unknown flying object.

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We had some call here earlier about a pilot and an unidentified flying object.

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Yep, that's us.

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It's tracking about 390 knots. We've been tracking it for about 3-4 minutes now.

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This kind of thing is flying.

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For us, it's still being unknown traffic.

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And a lot of controllers on the wall, they know about it.

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What is it that pilots and air traffic controllers are seeing?

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In Russia, the military commission that investigated the UFO phenomenon for over 20 years

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has arrived at an extraordinary conclusion.

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The final conclusion of this high-leveled mission

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was a recognition that there probably was an alien civilization present.

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I had a couple of aircraft reported something 300 to 400 foot long

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slender-pulled shape with a strobe flashing off to the end of it.

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Oh, at 30,000 feet.

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All over the world, highly trained pilots and air traffic controllers

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are observing strange objects in the skies.

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In the past, they've been reluctant to speak publicly about their experiences,

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but a growing number are now prepared to come forward.

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Captain Werner Uter was one of Germany's most distinguished commercial pilots.

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During his time as chief pilot with Lufthansa,

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he had three separate sightings of UFOs,

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and although he didn't report them at the time, he's prepared to talk about them now.

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On one flight, we took a croft and buried.

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The destination was Damascus first,

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and when we passed Lebanon Mountain,

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I saw a light just ahead of our airplane.

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Suddenly, this light came very fast towards us.

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First, I thought it was an airplane,

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and this big light, it was two meters in diameter,

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and it was pulsating.

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It was standing between the inside left engine and the cockpit.

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Suddenly, after one or two minutes, this light went up like a rocket and disappeared.

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Some years later, Captain Uter had another UFO sighting.

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This time, he reported it to air traffic control at Maastricht.

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This is the actual conversation.

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Okay, fine, I thought, 6 to 1, about four miles ago,

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we passed unknown object like a cigar.

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Do you have anything on the scope?

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What do you have in life?

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Looked like a cigar about three, four meters,

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it was too fast.

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No, we have nothing on the radar.

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It was about 900 meters below us, just passing.

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You have only got a UFO?

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Maybe seven months back.

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UFOs are being seen in the skies over different continents.

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In February 1995, an American pilot encountered a strange light

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while flying over Albuquerque.

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Like Verna Uter, he too reported it to air traffic control.

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We were 37,000 feet, 100 miles from Albuquerque at night,

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and the whole cockpit just lit up kind of this bluish green.

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And I thought air traffic control had put another aircraft at our altitude by accident.

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It seemed so close.

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And it was going thousands of miles an hour, I've never seen anything that fast.

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And so air traffic control got on and we said,

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do you see anything on your screen?

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And she said no.

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And then she asked the other airliners in the area and they say, yeah, we see it too.

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And one guy said, it must be space debris.

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And right when he was saying that, this thing, a big pulse of white light came from behind it.

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And it just took off at a 45 degree angle back up.

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I got on the radio and I said, well, one, this space debris is going to be in the sky.

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And I said, well, one, this space debris or meteorites go back up.

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And at that time, there were four of their airliners that represent all the carriers

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and nobody wanted to report it.

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British pilot Graham Shepard had two UFO sightings in 30 years of flying,

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but it wasn't lights in the sky that he saw.

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I had a very clear view of this craft as it came towards us.

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It flew slightly below us, several hundred feet below us, about a quarter of a mile away.

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And I had a very fine view in the sunlight, reflecting sun of a hub shaped craft.

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I would say about 30 feet across.

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It was quite distinct in its outline.

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There was a number of fair weather cumulus clouds around giving very, very good depth of perception.

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So this was between us and the clouds that we were flying over.

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And once we got back to London, we discussed the whole sighting

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and came to the conclusion that we shouldn't report it

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because it would be detrimental to the career to our career prospects.

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If pilots see something that is unusual and very strange,

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the chances are very high that it won't be reported.

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So my opinion is that there is a huge resource of experience and sightings that have never been reported.

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In Mexico, there have been literally thousands of UFO sightings in the last five years.

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Although many may be tricks of the light or weather balloons,

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they're really enough to be causing concern to the pilots and air traffic controllers

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who see them on their radar screens.

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And I think that's the reason why we're so concerned about the future.

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And I think that's the reason why we're so concerned about the future.

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We're being concerned to the pilots and air traffic controllers

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who see them on their radar screens.

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We have the responsibility to inform other pilots flying in all this,

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in our airspace, about that unknown traffic, the condition of flight,

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what is the heading, any kind of information that could be important for the pilots.

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The point is that they are flying there.

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These kind of things exist because they are flying, the pilots have a visual contact with them,

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and sometimes the radar has a way to talk about it.

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These sort of sightings occur frequently, but as Mexican pilots and air traffic controllers admit,

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they're rarely spoken about in public or the subject of official reports.

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In Mexico there is no official record of these cases,

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although there have been pilots asking air traffic controllers for information

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when they've seen lights in the sky.

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But these sightings are not registered in official reports.

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That only happens when there has been an accident.

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One incident that was officially reported happened in 1994.

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Mexicana Flight 180 was approaching Mexico City Airport

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when a UFO was momentarily seen on ground radar.

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We detect two echoes close to this flight, but very momently,

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I mean just in a few moments, they disappear.

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about that the people was watching something on top of the Volterysator building.

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That building is located very close to the track of the final approach of Grandways 5 in Mexico.

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And in that precisely point, this object has an occlusion,

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apparently a collision with his landing gear.

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That building is located in the track of the final approach of Grandways 5.

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And in that point, the aircraft has a collision.

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That night, as Flight 180 made its final approach,

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Captain Rimundo Cervantes was at the controls.

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This is the official recording of his conversation with the control tower.

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The plane is at the control tower.

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The radar is at the control tower.

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I am at the control tower.

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The right-hand side is at the control tower.

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this object in the sky was still seen hovering over the city.

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The radar is at the control tower.

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The radar is at the control tower.

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but the crew were unsure as to whether they had had a mid-air collision.

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We noticed something in the distance that looked like it was on a collision course with us.

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And this craft was coming towards us very fast.

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It really was a tense moment.

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there was indeed some damage to an undercarriage.

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but Captain Cervantes disagreed.

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I don't accept it.

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I saw it myself and I know this wasn't metal fatigue.

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The object was very big, silver-colored and shining.

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That event was registered by the Mexican authorities,

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our supervisor in this center.

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And many people know about it.

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In South America, evidence from pilots and concern for air safety

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has prompted the Chilean Civil Aviation Authority

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to begin an official investigation into UFOs

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with the help of the country's Air Force.

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The committee was created last October

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because of the large amount of evidence that we had concerning anomalous phenomena.

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Since then, we have been analyzing any cases and reports that we get from technical staff,

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air traffic controllers and pilots.

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We also get information from local flying clubs

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and especially from the Air Force and the Army.

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has had two encounters with UFOs while serving in the Chilean Air Force.

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We were flying in a training mission, an intercept mission, two airplanes.

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All of a sudden, the radar ground control, I mean, called me

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and they told me to go to intercept an unknown traffic,

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maybe a civilian traffic, a commercial traffic, flying in military zones.

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We look on the targets.

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All of a sudden, we saw a strange form, like a tube, like a van or like a grey cigar,

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a flat grey cigar.

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And the dimension may be like a commercial plane, like 707, 747, like that.

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All of a sudden, this object goes to the right in the heart and like a break.

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With 90 degrees and a celebrate more or less to 5 max.

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5 max is 5 times the speed of sound.

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On the ground control was the same picture, was the same.

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It was the first close encounter with UFO report.

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What are the UFOs that pilots and air traffic controllers are seeing?

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My certainty is that what I saw and what I had seen represents a technology

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which not only can fly in our planetary environment outside our normal aerodynamic envelopes,

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but by implication must be able to fly outside the planetary environment

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well beyond our dreams and expectations.

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It's right out of the X-files.

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I mean, it's a definitely UFO or something like that.

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I don't know what could be really done.

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I don't know.

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In case that belongs to the Earth, they are broken all the international rules

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and that is very dangerous, but nobody knows nothing about that flight, you know?

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It might be that it is something we don't know yet.

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Maybe as people say from outside space, I don't know it, but it could be.

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But could pilots and air traffic controllers be mistaken?

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Is there an answer to the UFO phenomenon much closer to home

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that may be the best kept secret of the century?

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The research and development of state-of-the-art military aircraft

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has always been carried out under the strictest veil of secrecy.

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The latest machines have decades of high-cost science and technology invested in them

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and have been in the skies for years before their existence is ever admitted.

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Such ultra-secret programs are known in defense circles as black projects.

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And in this world, at any given time, there are few individuals

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who know for sure the shape of things to come.

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In Washington, an organization that studies black projects

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is the Federation of American Scientists.

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John Pike is their leading expert.

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Well, a black project is any project conducted

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where the fact of the existence of the project is supposed to be

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hidden from the public.

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The total black budget in the United States today

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is probably somewhere between 30 and 35 billion dollars a year.

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The end products of black projects invariably have a long lineage.

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The Northrop Flying Wing of the 1950s is a direct and effective

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aircraft.

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High levels of secrecy make it impossible to know for certain

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what may have been in development at any given time.

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It's possible that there existed in the past exotic aircraft

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whose design and flight characteristics still remain a secret to this day.

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Are there any that might fit the description of the UFOs

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that pilots have been seeing in the past?

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They didn't tell us about the U-2, they didn't tell us about the SR-71,

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they didn't tell us about a lot of aircraft even during World War II.

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At one time, the P-51 was secret, the Thunderbolt was secret

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when they were originally testing it,

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in other words, it wasn't widespread knowledge.

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Jack Pickett is the retired editor of an Air Force magazine.

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He claimed that the aircraft was a secret.

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He's the retired editor of an Air Force magazine.

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He claims that while working at an airbase in the 1960s,

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he saw previously unknown aircraft that may well explain flying saucers.

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We saw some aircraft parked at the end of a runway

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and I turned to my partner and said,

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did you see what I just saw?

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And he says, I sure did.

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I says, those are flying saucers.

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He says, that's what they look like to him.

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Jack Pickett made from memory his own scaled drawings

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and he saw that day in 1967.

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They were a disc type aircraft, flying wing circular.

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They had the pilot compartment dead center

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and they had the tricycle landing gear

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and there were jets.

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Three of them had what looked like twin jets on them

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with the exhaust coming out of the bottom.

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I later got to walk right around them

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and the big one had looked like four jet intakes,

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two on each side of the main fuselage

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and four exhausts out of the bottom.

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There was no mistaking them as anything except

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a flying saucer shaped aircraft.

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Pickett says he was given permission by the base commander

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to ask questions about the aircraft he had seen

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for an article in the magazine he was editing.

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The very first question I asked him, I said,

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are these the flying saucers everybody's been hearing about?

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He says, yes they are.

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So I asked him, are these the aircraft that caused the Roswell

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publication stuff?

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He says, yes they are.

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I said, all this stuff about aliens and things,

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they come from your aircraft.

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He says, yes we had accidents.

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So I asked him, well obviously this type aircraft

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had to be for some specific years.

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He says, spy plans?

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He says, yes over Russia?

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He says, yes but you cannot print that.

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And I don't know whether I should even say that

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over this film or not.

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Apart from his own account, there are no official records

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to corroborate Jack Pickett's story

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of the American military's flying saucers in the 60s.

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But there is evidence in this recently

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declassified Air Force document that saucer shaped aircraft

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were on the drawing boards of America's

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Air Technical Intelligence Center

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10 years earlier in 1955.

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It was called Project Silverbug

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and contained plans for the development of a vertical

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takeoff saucer shaped craft,

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capable of flying at high altitudes and supersonic speeds

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using a radial flow engine.

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However, there is no evidence that Project Silverbug

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went ahead.

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But tracing a possible lineage for saucer shaped craft

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back 10 years earlier,

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there is a craft that fits the bill.

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In 1946, Thomas Smith was an engineer

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working on classified aircraft

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that were being constructed for the American Navy.

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They took me out into the hangar

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and they showed me this new jet aircraft

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and I said, oh, and then I looked over to the left

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and I said, holy mackerel, what is that over there?

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And they said, well, that's a since you're clear for top secret.

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That's our, it's called a pancake.

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As a matter of fact, the material you've been testing

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is being used to build that.

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It looked like a disk and the New Haven papers

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report the fact that some round object

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was saw flying over New Haven.

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And of course we were laughing because those of us

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thought I knew what it was that they had seen.

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It's certainly the case that in the 1960s and in the 1950s

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the Central Intelligence Agency knew that many UFO reports

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were in fact sightings of its classified balloon

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and aircraft programs.

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And didn't do anything to dispel the public confusion.

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The public was seeing a lot of classified programs

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back in the 50s and 60s, looked like unidentified flying objects.

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The intelligence community knew that those were their own programs

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and just didn't tell anyone.

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At a time when many UFOs were being mistaken for secret projects

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the Air Force had already made a public statement

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that there were no secrets of their own

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that could be mistaken for UFOs.

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We can say that the recent sightings are in no way connected

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with any secret development by any agency of the United States.

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Rocket tests in New Mexico in the 1950s and 60s

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were frequently mistaken for flying sources.

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It's not inconceivable that at the height of the Cold War

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the American military found in the UFO phenomenon

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a ready-made cover story for the many secret activities

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that they were involved in.

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Today the public is just as much in the dark about black projects.

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But there's no doubt that the technology is far more sophisticated

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and advanced than ever.

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Just how exotic the new propulsion systems and aircraft shapes of tomorrow may be

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is not known for sure.

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But informed commentators and aviation experts believe

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that a new generation codenamed Aurora is being constructed

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and prototypes already flying.

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During the late 1980s I think the United States government

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was spending several billion dollars on very highly classified

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high altitude, high speed aircraft, publicly called Aurora.

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Extremely secret program that to this day the US government denies ever existed.

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But if you look at the number of reports of people seeing high flying,

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fast airplanes, the amount of money that seems to have disappeared without a trace.

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And in the case of NASA's X-33, a lot of advanced technology

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that seems to have come from nowhere, I think there's a good case

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that Aurora was a real project, we spent a lot of money on it

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and the government still denies it exists.

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But a computer simulation is no proof that theory has become reality.

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Although there are reports of sightings of strange craft in this corner of the Nevada desert.

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Like the UFO phenomenon itself, the world of black projects is shrouded in mystery.

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One of its legendary bases located here is known variously as Groom Lake,

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Dreamland and Area 51.

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For years the American government denied any knowledge of it.

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The first picture to confirm its existence came from a Russian spy satellite in 1990.

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Despite formidable security around the base that is supposed not to exist,

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more pictures and some hint of the activities there are coming out.

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Area 51 is the primary classified test facility for aircraft

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by the United States Air Force and the US intelligence community.

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Traditionally that's the location where new reconnaissance aircraft,

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such as the U-2 and the SR-71, new stealth aircraft such as the F-117 fighter have been tested.

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It's also the primary facility where aircraft acquired clandestinely

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from Russia or other countries are stored and tested for evaluation.

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Reliable information on what goes on here is difficult to come by.

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Although some claim to have worked at Area 51,

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there is a suspicion that those who talk don't know and those who know don't talk.

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But Edgar Foucher's credentials as an Air Force avionics specialist

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do qualify him with the exact sort of background to have been assigned to Area 51.

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I was there to repair and do a couple of modifications.

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And I went up every day at 4.30 in the morning before sunlight,

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came back every night after dark and did this for 10 days straight.

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The thing that bothered me the most about Groom was not somebody walking around with an M16

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glaring at me when I was trying to work at times,

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but having to wear the goggles that looked like the black welder's goggles

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that the sides are blocked off so you have no peripheral vision.

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And at about 30 feet, everything becomes blurred.

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And at 50 feet, if somebody was pointing a gun at me, I wouldn't have seen them.

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So, at any time you're outside, or I was outside of my facility, I had to wear them

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because I didn't want to be seeing anything, say, in the next building over

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or aircraft that were sitting on the flight land.

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There are rumors that the Aurora project is responsible for many UFO sightings

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in the vicinity of Area 51.

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Bowl-shaped craft and strange hovering lights.

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There are those who believe that Aurora has produced a revolutionary breakthrough in advanced technology.

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Edgar Fouché thinks he knows what it is.

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To me, the most fascinating vehicle from the Aurora program has been the TR-3B.

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It's a triangular-shaped vehicle that uses a circular accelerator,

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as you imagine, a circle within a triangle that rotates a mercury-based plasma

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at 60,000 revolutions per minute, pressurized at 250,000 atmospheres,

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and supercooled at 150 degrees Kelvin.

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I absolutely believe that all the triangular-shaped vehicles that have been spotted

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are belong to the U.S. government.

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The only thing that could out-renew or a TR-3B would be the things we copied it from,

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which would be alien vehicles.

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Edgar Fouché can produce no proof that he has ever had any connection with Area 51.

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And the notion that Area 51 is in possession of recovered alien technology

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and reverse engineering it into exotic new propulsion systems and craft

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is widely held by those who believe in UFOs, as does Edgar Fouché.

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And there is no evidence that his TR-3B aircraft exists.

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Except that in recent years unidentified triangular craft with a pulsating light in the center

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have been seen in various locations around the world.

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You have my word, whatever it's worth, that I trust my friends,

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I believe what I've seen, what they've seen and told me,

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and I believe this technology exists. I'm absolutely convinced.

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Fact or fiction? Can black projects such as Aurora and its predecessors,

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answer to what pilots and others have been seeing around the world over the past 50 years?

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Back in 1967, I have absolutely no doubt that there was no military craft of that shape

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and that capability flying.

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Having said that, if there were to be such advanced technology, secret technology,

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from the military, then not only would they have the advanced craft,

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they'd have the advanced control systems, radar control systems,

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and very well brief pilots who would be invited not to fly in conflict with airliners,

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certainly not to fly on reciprocal courses in airways,

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but to confine their experimental flying to the areas such as the North Sea,

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maybe out in the Atlantic somewhere, or the deserts of America.

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Maybe at that time it was the SR-71, the American airplane,

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but they can fly about 3.3 max.

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And the radius of turn at that speed is about 20 miles.

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And this object was in a hard time to ride and disappear.

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It was very impressive.

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I don't think it's a secret weapon or something like that.

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It was not an airplane, it was an object, an unknown flying object.

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It is a fact that in 1947 the American government believed that the UFO phenomenon was real

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and might be an advanced secret weapon of Soviet origin.

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It prompted an official but secret investigation.

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General Twining, head of Air Material Command, declared that the phenomenon was real

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and that unidentified objects the size of aircraft were being observed.

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What began as a classified project became a public study by the Air Force,

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known as Project Blue Book.

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Today the American Air Force claims it's no longer interested in flying sources,

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but there is a widely held suspicion that they may not be telling the whole truth.

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Another superpower has studied the UFO question at an official level and with military assistance.

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Unlike the American Air Force, they have come to some startling conclusions.

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In Russia, where secrecy once governed every aspect of life under the former Soviet regime,

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the UFO phenomenon was investigated over 20 years at the highest scientific and military level,

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their equivalent of America's Project Blue Book.

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Today there's a surprising degree of openness about the subject.

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Official military reports on UFO incidents are freely available

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and keenly read in public libraries all over the country.

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This latest booklet, published in 1998, was compiled by military authorities.

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It records nearly 500 cases during a 12-month period,

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including one of the best recorded sightings of recent times.

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It happened over St. Petersburg in the winter of 1997,

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when a series of mysterious lights appeared in the sky over the city.

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Multiple witnesses, several different video recordings, and the involvement of air traffic controllers

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make this one of the most comprehensively documented UFO sightings ever.

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The St. Petersburg incident was officially investigated by Captain Pavel Sorchenko,

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a Russian naval officer.

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The incident that we're interested in today took place on the 19th of February 1997

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and was seen in a variety of different places in and around St. Petersburg.

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It began at 7 in the evening and went on until about 7.20.

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At 3 minutes past 7 they started to see the UFO at Poklova Airport.

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Air traffic controllers who were monitoring the runways

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saw it from the control tower where they were working that night.

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On the 19th of February 1997, I was a witness at the time to an unidentified flying object.

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That evening I was working in the control tower

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and the incident took place right in front of my eyes.

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I began to make some notes about what was happening,

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the weather conditions, the time of the sighting, and the sequence of events.

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As I was watching it, I started to make some sketches.

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Little bright dots were flying up towards this group of orange red lights from the left.

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And about 4 minutes later the light seems to go away,

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but within another couple of minutes the lights had reappeared.

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Now the shape of the lights had changed, so I made a sketch of that as well.

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And gradually these lights began to move about among themselves.

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Some of the others saw the UFO through their binoculars.

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I was able to keep track of the lights so that I could make some notes.

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Although I was directing air traffic at the time,

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I kept in touch with the people working beside me.

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One of the aircraft was out on the runway,

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so I asked them if they could see a UFO and they confirmed that they could.

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Reports began to come in from different locations at about the same time,

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confirming that unidentified flying objects were being seen,

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illuminated objects which appeared to be out of the ordinary.

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Several of the eyewitnesses managed to photograph this phenomenon

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and also to get video with amateur video cameras.

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That night there were at least three separate video recordings of the UFO,

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taken from different positions in St. Petersburg.

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I'm not an expert in this field, so I can't say anything officially.

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I was just an eyewitness, well, maybe better qualified than the man in the street,

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because I compared visual information notes and readings from the radar.

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I can only say it was definitely a very interesting experience.

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I was able to make a video with the same video,

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and I was able to capture the video with my own hands.

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I can only say it was definitely some sort of unidentified object,

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extraterrestrial or some sort of secret test.

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I have to say, I can't understand the need for secret tests over St. Petersburg.

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But to say that it was evidence of some extraterrestrial civilization,

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it would be interesting to say yes,

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but I really don't know enough to be able to make such a statement.

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It was the mysterious and unexplained nature of UFO sightings

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that led the Soviet government to establish an official inquiry into the UFO phenomenon 20 years ago.

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It involved both the armed forces and the prestigious Moscow Academy of Sciences.

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The reason that the Soviet Union began this project

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was the fact that a huge number of sightings and reports of strange phenomena

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were received by the Academy of Sciences.

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Most of the time we were unable to offer any convincing explanation.

484
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No one knew what it was that people were seeing.

485
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A directive was issued to all units of the Soviet armed forces

486
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that any UFO incident should be the subject of an official report and sent to Moscow.

487
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,000
I worked from September 1977 to June 1989.

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I used to get daily intelligence records in connection with any incidents that might have occurred.

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Throughout this period I eventually discovered that the official number of reports amounted to some 7700.

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One of these cases occurred in the town of Tver, outside Moscow and close to a military base.

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The incident was caught on camera by two schoolboys.

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It was then reported to the military authorities who launched an official investigation under Major Beloychek.

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On the 4th of November 1991 at about 2 o'clock in the afternoon

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a UFO appeared towards the right-hand side of the village.

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It first of all flew past the river Volga and then hovered around this sign.

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It made a turn and then banked several times until it changed direction

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and landed on the opposite side of the river.

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After that it took off and flew away in the direction of the buildings.

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Two schoolboys took in the order of 11 photographs.

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I studied those events and investigated them thoroughly.

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I took the negatives and sworn statements to Moscow for expert opinion.

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The result of all this was that the sighting ended up being confirmed as authentic.

503
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There were two things in particular that attracted the attention of military specialists.

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When observing the behavior of the UFOs, the question of the extraordinary maneuverability of the flying objects always came up.

505
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Irrespective of wherever the sighting took place.

506
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That is, they could alter their trajectory literally like an insect in flight.

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This was all highly significant.

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If our planes could move like that, not a single emergency would happen.

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During the Cold War, rocket tests undoubtedly accounted for some sightings reported by the public.

510
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But there were a number of cases that could never be explained even by the military.

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In the end, because we could not explain everything, we felt that the scientific research into these phenomena

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should be continued.

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The scientific research was not only about the scientific and scientific findings,

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but we also felt that the scientific research into these phenomena should be continued.

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The fact that there weren't many examples, maybe five or ten cases that were inexplicable,

516
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didn't mean that they weren't important.

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In fact, they were probably much more important than those thousands of sightings which did have a rational explanation.

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In other words, it was felt that there was a great need for the research to be continued at a serious scientific level.

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One scientist who assists the military in researching the UFO phenomenon is Yuri Semyakov,

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a professor of marine biology in Moscow.

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He has investigated several incidents of alleged UFO landings across the country,

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analyzing soil samples and vegetation to find out if there is any noticeable change in their properties.

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We studied more than twelve landing sites in the vicinity of Moscow,

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and I also examined a number of sites from which samples were actually brought.

525
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One incident which Semyakov studied in detail occurred at Podreshkova near Moscow in 1979.

526
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:56,000
An extraordinary event took place here ten years ago.

527
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:01,000
We visited this site several times because of reports that a UFO landed.

528
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There was a train passing by, and two people saw this UFO, and they were astounded by what they saw.

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After that, we came here and studied the site.

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I personally supervised several biological experiments.

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I brought some insects here, ants, flies and even worms, and studied how they reacted to the site.

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That is, did they change their normal pattern of behavior?

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Something very interesting happened to the vegetation. It dried up.

534
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Now, of course, it has grown again and covered everything over.

535
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But at the time, the trees withered immediately and quickly turned yellow,

536
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and now all that is left are tree stumps.

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And further away over there, the trees are still dying.

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After more than ten years of scientific study, what conclusions can be drawn in answer to the UFO mystery?

539
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This is an extremely difficult question to answer.

540
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I can't just say they were alien spacecraft, although such an explanation cannot be ruled out.

541
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It's possible, as many people think, that there are several different solutions to this entire phenomenon.

542
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While scientists like Yuri Semyakov continue to collaborate with the military

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in the search for possible solutions to the UFO phenomenon,

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the end of the investigation conclusion was reached by a separate investigation that the Russian armed forces carried out.

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00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:55,000
One officer who was closely involved with this special investigation is General Vasily Alexeyev.

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Today he is in charge of space communications.

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General Alexeyev was ordered to review all reports on UFO incidents that had occurred at secret military bases in the Volga Step region.

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I can say one thing briefly and clearly.

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This investigation was carried out by our military forces with the assistance of the Academy of Sciences and the secret services.

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This took place at one of the secret bases in the Volga Step, a location where the phenomenon itself was quickly seen.

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It was proved conclusively and also reported that in the end there could be no question of secret weapon tests.

552
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They were not yet that far advanced, which leaves the question as to what all this could be.

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Despite the fact that there was a great deal of apprehension about using this phrase,

554
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the officials who were responsible for this high-level commission

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fell to blight to report that in the end there probably was an alien civilization present.

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The commission came to this conclusion, even though it was realized at the time

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that such an idea was a difficult one to put forward.

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The fact is this alleged report has never been reproduced publicly.

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There's no proof that it exists and there is always the possibility that the Russians, like the Americans,

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are exploiting the UFO phenomenon to cover up some of their most closely guarded military secrets.

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I give you my word as an officer that, with the exception of information relating to the location of military sites

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and intelligence which might have national security implications,

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I am discussing everything else associated with this phenomenon with a completely open heart.

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UFOs are extraterrestrial in origin.

565
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Even if it were the final conclusion of the secret Volga investigation,

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is it an answer that a high-ranking general can seriously support?

567
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:08,000
Well, I think I've confirmed several times that I do actually support the notion

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that these objects appear to be of an extraterrestrial origin.

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I would also like to point out that if you take all the available evidence and the reported cases,

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then there's no other explanation that makes any sense.

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Thank you.